Preferably one that doesnt use that stupid Honeywell valve. Plus the cost of the above repairs. God Bless you anyway! then buying parts, or paying for those appreciated plumbersAll help, is appreciated! I have drained the tank twice and in both cases I got virtually NO SEDIMENT out of my water heater. DO NOT RECOMMEND WHIRLPOOL HOT WATER HEATERS WITH HONEYWELL GAS CONTROL VALVES! Thats what this sounds like and shorting across it is perfectly OK. They said call anytime and they can help. Unscrew one screw at the bottom of the gas valve. Two months later I drained out about 5-8 gallons, saw minimal sediment. Worse, when the burner would start (first draw of hot water in the morning), it would start with a bang, literally boom, and then go on its pulsing merry way. By the way, while searching for more information when this first came up for me, I found one website which had these controllers for sale for $99.00. Will most likely do the control board swap. Mineral buildup on the valves temp tensor cap the metal part that sticks into the tank could cause the high limit situation by delaying the rate at which true water temperature reaches the thermal sensor. I then end up on the Low setting. This will supply current to the main valve and the main valve will open. I took the battery idea and did a minor mod. I used the short across the top left and right connectors while everything was still connected method as my problem was a straight 7 flash error. At this point mine lit the main burner and blinked 7 a few times then blinked 1 1 1 1. the wife is happy again. Thats just over the Hot setting on their valve. Cheers very much, Tyler and yall!! I did call Whirlpool and told them that the new valve they sent was broken and they did send another replacement free overnight. I understand that the Honeywell product is in recall. Thanks to everyone that posted with this problem. Most Honeywell water heaters with electric gas valves need just 12 volts for the valve to work. light the pilot and you still get the 7 flashes; however the water heater kicks back on and gets back up to temperature and shuts off as normal and you will see that your light now only flashes 1 time every 3 or 4 seconds. * Honeywell Gas Valve on a Water [], [] How turn water main cutoff valve , In event main water valve fails, final backstop operate shut water house: main water valve street.. How to Turn Off Your Water Using the Main Cutoff Valve on 411 plumb: &p valve water heater leaking, Learn determine &p valve water heater leaking fix leaking &p valve.. 411 Plumb: The T&P Valve On My Water Heater Is LeakingResetting #$%@!! I have well water. Followed your procedure to a T. I called GE because Honeywell said to. contact customer service and see . Just for reference THISpicture shows the wire that attaches to the control board. It only puts out about 0.5 volts, but it is enough energy to operate everything. That said, I decided to tackle this replacement as I wasnt going to shell out a couple hundred for someone to come in and do it. and see what the thermostat looks like). 5. My old controller has a red blinking LED that I can reset. Wouldnt it make more sense to not let the dial go that high? Something to consider. I have to say that thhis is amazing. Product guides and documents Product Documentation (PDF) A huge thank you to Tyler, Loreleaf and everyone who has contributed here. This WORKS! I will miss 7 -10 years of worry free I bought the rheem propane water heater6 months ago now its giving me problem 2 blinks every 3 secondsTHERMOPILE voltage low. I am so happy that the company replaced it for you. Im just saying that you dont have to install the whole valve, but can just swap out the parts you need to make the old one work again. Make a jumper out of phone wire about 10 long. and found a guy that removed the board allowing the capacitors to discharge fully, (just by removing the board). You can get the pilot to light by pressing this button, but unless you address the underlying problem, the chamber will overheat and the breaker will trip again. Went from four blinks to seven. Miller Lanyards and Shock Absorbers. Taking out the circuit board and shorting across the pins (on back side of board) of what I believe is a capacitor**, worked to get the 7 flashes and then unit would light. This is the second time mine has gone out in 27 months. 2pos honeywell spst usew. If you cant get the pilot lit, the thermopile that generates the .75 volt power to the controller will not be generating any power either. To be continued. Last December, I was forced to replace the valve after I got the four flashes. All models of WT8840 include an integrated NTC temperature sensor. Do you know if the Rinnai is any better than the Jaccuzi? I tried a few things and finally did a pilot light start up with everything attached, took the front cover of the module off with the lights blinking X4, the pilot went out and the blinking stopped. Should be some code or combination of codes, possibly including a 7. If the flashes dont indicate a problem, look for a reset button somewhere other than on the valve, especially on the plate that covers the heating chamber. Pull cover straight out to remove it. In any event, my thanks to all of you who suggested steps to take in this matter. shut off the pilot and reconnect the 3 wire plug and but the cover back on. Again, not a water heater expert, just saying based on my own experiences with the ones in my home. Picture:here, 4. and then it might come back on or not. I then turned the gas valve to hot and it lit and ran. The first time I paid Sears their blood money. did the light and turn the unit to hot and touched the other end of the speaker wire to the right upper of the V it fired up and reset. By the time I returned (maybe 30 minutes later), the led had returned to its normal blue 1-flash mode. This worked for me, and saved me some money and headaches. I had the four blink Water too hot issue. Now I have two fail in 27 months. If this becomes a regular issue, I might solder a pigtail to each of the terminals and get a battery holder from Radio Shack with quick disconnect terminals. He removed the cover but did not remove any wires (he fixed it very quickly). I pay $30 for overnight shipping for a replacement unit. Also, if a capacitor is all that is stopping the board from resetting it can be discharged by placing 1 leg to ground. I was told that you can use the yellow teflon and sealant for gas and water, but the water products do not work on gas. Air PRO Air Security PRO Security Water PRO Water Energy PRO Energy Partner with Resideo Pro Perks The valve location is high enough on the tank that sediment likely wont interfere with its temperature sensing ability; 2. will light up but is not, Honeywell 24v waterheater. Wish you had shown a pic of the screwdriver touching the 2 posts. ~ diy-home-tips.vwx.info, Home Projects: Is It A Problem That I Have Two Of Each Color Wires On My Honeywell Thermostat?. Thanks a lot guys for these posts. I did the jumper wire and at least heated enough water for my wife and I to shower .what to replace it with ??? Will keep this for next year when it breaks again. First, the Pilot has to be able to stay lit on its own and a fault blinks on the controller to continue. Thank you sooomuch and my daughter thanks you, hot water is a must for her. The results are nearly identical except that when I hooked up the external wires and the three wire plug on the circuit board and reassembled with the pilot on, the codes were different. This changes to red flash code when there is an abnormal condition. I think you could reset the controller by taking off the two leads to the thermocouple and short the two connecter tabs on the bottom right of the controller together for a couple of minutes. The water heater is a Kenmore and I called Sears but they only wanted to send out a service worker for $79/$90 to diagnosis the water heater although I explained numberous times that the water heater is OK It is the controller that failed. US Government safety features. Their knowledge and expertise has a value. A day or so after install, I did raise the temp just a tad to 130. New valve on the way from Whirlpool. I initially did unplug everything and flushed the tank there was some residue and sediment not a ton but apparently enough to confound the sensor. It was very difficult to flush out and I ended removing it by use of a shop-vac and small hose modified to get through the valve hole. I tried to call Honeywell just to ask and they wont give me any info because I didnt have the model number on me. Regarding 7 flashes means Gas Control electronic fault This is an excellent solution. For sales or technical inquiries about our products please select the type of item (s) you are interested in from the pull down category list shown below. limit (Temperature Cut-Out [TCO]) function. Free! Great just what I needed, obviously the plumber who installed the WH did not change the 30 yr old shut off valve at the same time! Please do this at your own risk. After reading through everything in both Cranky and DBs posts a couple more times, finding a 9v battery and making a second jumper wire to try the battery procedure described in DBs post, I went back to the unit, turned the gas supply back on and re-lit the pilot, when BINGO! Piezo Dynamic Series Sirens Data Sheet, Honeywell Home, Resideo Security Americas Honeywell covered the replacement unit cost including shipping. repeat steps gas valve.. Resetting the #$%@!! This isnt connected to house current, so dont worry about touching any wires; you wont get a shock. All models of WT8840 include an integrated NTC temperature sensor. It was enough hot for a fairly comfortable shower actually. Can you believe this crap! So, I set out to see if I could do a reset of some sort by scouring the internet. Going to researching flushing and cleaning the tank for good maintenance. What is the easiest way to mimic the thermopile 750 milli volt so I can get the brains working without the pilot on. To RaulDLCs 3/25/2015 post: Thank you thank you! If you are getting 750 millivolts at the RED and WHITE connections, then I would think it is a dud. any suggestions ? I would like to pursue the same solution (get a replacement). So dont give up, it does work and Im guessing that these methods will work on 100% of the failed controllers if you follow the steps to a T with the knowledge that you may have to do it more than one or two times before it takes and clears the fault code. Had a 7 blinking light. Buy It Now. I may have gotten lucky too. Worked for me waiting to see if burner shuts off Lady on phone said they werent aware of any problems but our heater still under warranty and would send us a new valve. Going to try the reset steps pointed out earlier and see if that will get me by for a little while until the new one gets here. When I screw the gas adapter, just half way in the screw, the housing cracked. The result: Make sure all the wires are connected, turn on the gas and follow the steps in your water heater owners manual to relight the pilot light. There is also a White or clear silicone rubber gasket that is entangled with pins and solenoid wires. I will never by anything that has anything Honeywell on it again. i called whirlpool(1877-817-6750), they are sending me the valve free of charge, but its gonna take a couple days to get here. Not only that, but people return their old ones, and parts of them at least can probably be reused in new hundred-plus dollar valves. I pulled the cover yesterday , left every thing hooked up. Generally, if youre covered under warranty, you would get the part from the MFR of the water heater. There should be labels red and white on the gas valve to help you plug them back the right way. Youll save money and aggravation in the long term. The pilot stays lit. On relighting, I got the dreaded 4 blinks. I have a white LED and my code of 4 flashing lights wont reset. I told them I had four flashes and the serial number. Voltage Maximum: 850 mV dc, open circuit. The valve is known to be defective and maybe they will help ? This is the fourth time in 3 years the control has died. Thanks for you insight. Although the Frankinvalving wasnt an option/didnt work, it did show me what I was up against, introduced me to others who have had the same problem and what everyones resolution was. Sears is charging $181.64. The sediment can build up and surround the stock probe and retains heat insulating the probe and causing the 4 flash situation. In particular, if you havent drained the sediment off the bottom of the tank, do that first. My control has an additional wire plugged into the bottom of the controller (Im not certain what it does). The light went out. Direct Replacement: Gas Control Valve Kit (Natural Gas) Brand: AO Smith SKU: 100112336 ( 70) In Stock Get 304 Thu, Mar 2 Order by 4PM, receive 304 by Thursday VIEW REPLACEMENT Product Highlights - Natural Gas Description - Its not the likely culprit, but possible. Ive been keeping an eye on the heater ever since installing, so I was able to notice this. I will never buy anything from Kenmore or Honeywell! Although, the first time I did it, I only let it sit for about a half hour like he did, and I still got the 4 blinks and it wouldnt light. I do not think you have the same honeywell control that this website is discussing, there is no power switch or power cord. and cannot get circuit board outtheres a screw of some sort and and something that looks like glass attached before it will let go? This does not seem to be documented anywhere. New controller on the way but hot water is now flowing. All models of, WT8840 include an integrated NTC temperature, The WT8840 is powered from a thermopile heated by, the standing pilot flame. I researched the internet (many hours!) you will get a 7 flash error. We shall see how long this lasts. I shorted every connection on the board to the only connection marked GND rather than wait the hour. Remove cover, put wraps on the two posts and replace cover. When that gets combined with another situation it can then escape the tight loop it appears to be in and in effect resets itself. Bioluminescent Reindeer and the Value of Diversity. The two wires to the controller on the bottom right are the two leads to the thermocouple which provides power to the controller and also senses when the pilot is lit. Now WH is working fine. Looking for a new appliance retailer who values its customers. THANK YOU! The entire process from start to finish, including 2 stops to Lowes (once for tools, second for piping) and draining/refilling tank took over 2 hours. Does anybody know of an other brand that could replace this crap of a unit? No brown or other weird looking water. upstairs. OMG!! The Thermopile already supplies the current necessary to open the gas valve! That SHOULD simply cause the heat source to have to stay on longer to heat water, not get the water too hot; 3. If that is true then there could be a case where the manufacturer has just been a little too cute in their programming. Maybe a result of their desire to protect themselves against scald claims and the programmers misunderstanding of high hot might have to be to deliver hot at a faucet that is 75 feet from the tank and serviced by uninsulated lines? If one uses a slow supply of hot water (like rinsing a lot of dishes), then the heater stays on making VERY hot water until it triggers a non-resetable error. Maybe a model or serial number? Fix Bypass with a 15k, 2 watt resistor, and no problem. The Deep End is a steampunk intrigue with plenty of reprehensible characters, plots, poisoned stabby things, and a murder mystery where the sleuth has to suspect herself. I read the included instructions to a T and had a successful replacement! My light is now white instead of red and the electronic board appears slightly different. DONT BUY THEM. As the days moved on, it continued happening more frequently and each time the red 5-flash error condition persisted longer and longer before resetting itself. Now it is one-blinking again. If so, I want him shot. Direct Replacement: Gas Control Valve Kit (Natural Gas) Brand: AO Smith SKU: 100112336 ( 70) In Stock Get 297 Fri, Mar 3 Order by today, receive 297 by Friday VIEW REPLACEMENT Product Highlights - Natural Gas Description - Nope! Not much of a DIYer am i but after reading about this scam Honeywell has going on about these modules i had to try this and besides how many more cold showers can one man take..My results? Wednesday morning earlylooked on porch for another package I was expecting and found the new control valve. WT8840 controls provide direct replacement, Pressure Regulator: The outlet pressure regulator, See appliance rating plate for inlet pressure range, 0.5 PSI (14.0 in. Pilot is lit but the led will not blink red at all it, how to reset this valve. One big question. Thanks to this thread and bigger thanks to David Boone and the follow on info from CrankyTenants, after 10+ days without hot water and zero expense my water heater is now performing as intended again. We had a power outage and the codes are switching from the 4 beat to the 7 beat to the heartbeat . mwa-ha-ha-ha! After just a couple of minutes the code changed to 1 and now I have hot water. I dont know, but I do know you need to get the sediment out of there in any case, so you might as well try it. (With the three wire plug OFF and the pilot on I was getting a 7 code only.) Theres a little white plug where wires connect to board; tug wires directly away from board to unplug. So far its been working fine. Because of the shape of the plug, you wont be able to plug it in backwards, but its quicker if you dont have to try the wrong way to find that out. I have a 2 yr old whirlpool 30 gal gas model with the Honeywell valve unit. That visit its no guarantee that they will give you a new valve. I found instructions for how to reset the status light by turning the dial to off for five minutes, but that no longer works. Other suggestions? You will now need to restart the Pilot as before. While I didnt have any leaks, I was sweating bullets during the testing and first fire up of the furnace. Little white plug stays with wire ribbon. Was sent a new one with a bad (stuck) push button sparker. Especially, drain the sediment from the tank. Flushing the tank briefly seems to be a pre-requisite for this fix, so do that first. For two years I would drain out 5 gallons of water every two months to remove sediment. I came home from a 10hr workday Wednesday to a cold shower! If you need to look at the back to see how the tabs are arranged, look at the new valve. Put the cover back on temporarily with the connector still disconnected. oops I pressed the wrong key: not 170, but 70 degrees. And everybody wonders why plumbers charge what they do. Never had this problem with old fashioned hot water heaters. The note is just a comment I know it really does not apply to your situation. I believe I was getting 7 flashes until turning burner on and in a short time the flashes went to normal 1 flash. YOU are a SUPER GENIUS! Oh, I see. My Family thanks you for the tip to reset the Honeywell Gas control valve. My new controller has a white blinking LED that will not reset. Worked like a charm! The water heater had supposedly over heated, even though I had never had it set to anything but low in the 3 years I have had it. Any ideas? Honeywell Gas Valve on a Water Heater Filed under useful Executive summary: Once it has detected a "water too hot" event, the gas valve will never work again unless you know how to reset it. It replaces the old part numbers listed below. The water heater turns on and hubby and I live happily ever after. Took a wire and touched the two pins where the thermo plugs in. When I contacted Rheem again, without hesitation they said they were Fed-Exing me a new valve. as the faint click was heard and the flashing light reappeared, it was now only blinking once! Wife called whirlpool Monday. I am getting NO Flash from the led light. doctor dead, steampunk adventure set 1904 san francisco, . On my particular Honeywell gas valve, model WV8840B1109, the error codes indicate the following: FLASHES STATUS 0 Control Off/Pilot Out 1 Normal Operation 2 Thermopile Voltage Low 4 High Temperature Shutdown 5 Temperature Sensor Failure 7 Gas Control or Valve Failure 8 Flame Sensor Error There is no pilot, it just ignites completely as needed with electronic ignitor. Found three capacitors (bigger one in the middle and the other two towards one of the corners, each is mainly silver with a black small/minor segment ) and shorted all three, replaced unit and relit the pilot light, but 4 flashes still the problem. okay at this point with circuit boardhave no clue..please step by step for dummies pleasecannot remove it from whitish housing.appears a screw of some sort and also something that looks like glass attaching to it? Ill let you know how it worked out. When I checked the water heater the status light was not blinking at all. Association (CSA) to the following standards: Powered damper water heater controls (13 pages), Powered direct vent gas water heater (44 pages), Bathroom heater with towel rail (78 pages), Manual will be automatically added to "My Manuals", Troubleshooting with Status Light Visual Indication, Mounting the WT8840 on the Water Heater Tank, Procedure to Check the Gas Input and Burner Flow Rate, Troubleshooting Without Status Indicator Assistance, Troubleshooting Guide Without Status Light, Troubleshooting with status light visual indication, Water Heater Honeywell WV4262B Installation Instructions Manual, Water Heater Honeywell BH-777FTE User Instructions, Water Heater Honeywell VE300S Installation Instructions Manual. One other thing I could mention and that is there is likely more to this story than what is apparent. Mine quit working last Wednesday (Christmas Eve), with a house full of company. I am extremely grateful for this information! Instead of a red flashing light it has a White flashing light. Since my valve is under warranty, I will be replacing it. I did flush the system and I lowered the thermostat to between a and b. and it has been running fine for 2 days. That happened (I think) because I turned the heat dial all the way up. Thanks all and internet! Just came home one day and the pilot light was out (this is the second time). One note, since I did not have any clip leads I just used a rubber band to hold two pieces of speaker wire to a AA battery and held the wires on the pins with my index fingers. About to enter the fray and attempt the 4-blink DIY fix solution. I bought a Rheem water heater from Home Depot, it had this Honeywell valve on it. In the meantime I figured the shutoff valve to the WH was not working then started to leak! As ColdShowerMan noted, there are differences in the new design they sent me. Days Later after reading further I turned the main gas off, and removed the gas valve and the Torx security screws ( that have a pin to prevent regular Torx from entering the screw head). I did read here that a service man said to not go above hot setting. This would do the same as pulling the connector off the board and relighting the pilot momentarily. I have a water heater only 13 months old and it is not working. As info only for the less mechanical people out there, if you lay down on your back and look through the sight glass window, it makes lighting your pilot very easy. this will also help the starter get a good ground to make a proper spark. I am now one of the afflicted and would not like to have to go through this every 18 months. Thanks for the site.. Guys, this is a great post Thanks I FIXED IT but, make it EASY FOR DUMMIES after spending hours reading this I FOUND the EASIEST WAY to fix the 4 blink issue Just lit the pilot take out the plastic cover with the pilot on, do not disconnect any cords, use aflat-bladed screwdriver. just short (touch) the top 2 left pins( there is a set of 4 pins together use the 2 on the left) and the led light will go off and the pilot will shut off too, put the plastic cover back to the unit and DONE!! Honeywell said it is my fault because I failed to drain the sediment. I replace the whole unit and can not get the pilot to re-light. They require that a service technician come to check it out out first for a charge of $95.00. When I came back to check the water heater, I saw that the light was flashing normally. Cheers. Gently wiggle out the housing. What the gas pressure has to do with a faulty temperature sensor is a mystery to me, and perhaps just part of their damage control process to delay things. Thanks in advance. Remove the ivory-colored plastic front of the gas valve from the back of the unit. Some of us had moved the controller dial through its full range and subsequently the controller failed with the 4 code. Wish this had been up 2 years ago, when the previous unit failed. Thx loreleaf for the post and pics. Turn the temp knob all the way to High, down to VAC, up to High, down to VAC and then to HOT Deliberately, maliciously, and probably under the pretense of safety. Opening hot valve of nearby sink, opening air release valve on top of tank, using 4 inlet pipe to use as a wrench lever to remove the Gas Valve assembly were a few minor but helpful things. Apparently that is the keykeep it clean!!! Basically, the minerals heat less efficiently than the water, so the water has to get hotter than necessary. Take the front cover off. Water heater runs both water AND heating in the home 0 degrees in Denver right now! I took the circuit board completely out of the unit and let it sit for about an hour. Big thanks from MN! You can save delay and $hundreds in plumber fees by fixing the part that's gone on strike. Cost to replace Honeywell Water Heater Wv880b1309 0 Solutions The pilot light went out and we gave not been able Shipping to: 98837. All that Sears tried to do was sell me a warranty extension for $199. But get this They now want owners to drain and flush their tanks every 6 months so calcium will not build up on the sensors! Wow, amazing! I have advised my friends to call and tell them they have four flashes and get the gas valve now whether or not it has died. They said they couldnt do anything about that. Glad I found this post. Regardless what I tried, it was still 4 flashes. Thanks again to all. Right after I was done and moved on to light the pilot, the damn thing started flashing 7 times, which means gas control valve failure, right out of the box !!!! If the heating chamber gets too hot, the button pops out and the pilot will never light until you push it back in. Im not certain it works in all cases, but if it does, youre all set to go. No flashing lights, no pilot light, nothing. It arrived today within 24 hours. They said it needs to be assessed by a factory authorized repairman. Of course I am out $120 (twice!) 3. I had a similar experience on a WV8840B1059 getting the 4 flashes. The methods that describe jumping the top left and top right .. what exactly are we talking about here? My replacement valve had the same stainless steel cap as the old one, so will likely develop the same scaling. Right, my tank is just over 2 years old the number of posts here, Honeywell would do well to consider a recall and redesign. 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